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University reputation overrated?

Hello dear forum,

Isn't the reputation of universities clearly overrated? Wouldn't it be stupid for companies to say that we generally do not accept graduates from this or university, while we always give way to graduates from that university? With this way of thinking, so many "high potentials" go through the rags just because they studied at the "wrong" university, while on the other hand, some well-camouflaged full posts are hired by "elite universities".
It may be that the means of the WHU graduates are more qualified than the means of the FH Hinterdupfing, but there will also be "elite students" at the FH Hinterdupfing ...

If 1000 applications for 10 positions come in at McKinsey, for example, then it is already clear that the HR manager does not want to look carefully at all the résumés ... However, the categorical exclusion of some universities is inevitably stupid, because generalization.

(I have just read an article where someone wants to do a master’s degree after completing their university degree, just because their university is not one of the top ranks ... ... is sad)

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Yep, I see exactly the same.

There is certainly a big difference between really well-known universities and tiny FH duds. But overall, I don't think the university is so important. Rather, it depends on each individual and their qualifications. And the university is just a piece of the puzzle.

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Who says that certain universities are completely excluded. I would rather say that you have better chances from some universities, but if you perform very well, in principle you will be invited by every university and that's ok. Because you have to put yourself in the shoes of the company. Of course, they like to take candidates from universities with whom they have had good experience, as they know exactly what to expect from them and thus reduce their risk of misjudgment. They can then say exactly with the grade x, y is about as much on it. It is also clear that companies cannot be equally active at all universities, including workshops, etc. and they have a list of up to 10 universities with whom they prefer to work.

In summary, I believe that we still have a system in Germany that does not actually put university graduates at a huge disadvantage. It is different e.g. in the USA ...

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University is not that important, but it can definitely help to have been to a renowned university or a well-known business administration man.

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Well ... the fact is that some universities are more demanding than others. Should the graduate who graduated from the FH Hintertupfing with a 1.3 be in any way better than the graduate who graduated from a difficult university with a 2.5? The companies are well aware that universities / universities of applied sciences have different levels of aspiration. The 1.3 graduate of the FH Hintertupfing might have had to give up after a few semesters at a difficult university ...

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Finally some meaningful contributions that I would sign in full.
I think a very good degree can open the door, regardless of which university it is obtained from. Everything else depends on the person himself or on the field of competitors as described above. I know a lot of people who have brought a very good "door opener" with them and, even with good, large UN, some 2.7s were preferred to them because they simply fit better or rocked in the AC :)

Find this discussion superfluous in Germany with its relatively balanced education system.

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The reputation is particularly overrated by high school graduates and students.
In business administration / economics you learn how markets work.
High prices show e.g. whether something is asked.
Now take a look at various statistics that show the starting salaries of business administration graduates from the individual universities.
There is very little deviation from the state.
E.g. According to mirror statistics, a Mannheim business graduate (NC often at 1.0, you might get in with 1.5, with luck, although many say that Mannheim is the absolute elite in business administration) initially earns around 3200 gross / month, a Stuttgart native Business administration graduate (NC often at 2.5-2.8, business administration in Stuttgart has no special reputation) has about 3150 euros gross / month.
That shows that in practice it is not that important where you studied.
The Stuttgart resident has just 50 euros less gross, which is maybe 25 euros net per month. Whereby this can also be a random fluctuation that occurs in the context of a statistical survey.
Maybe this has to do with the fact that in practice one does not necessarily have to be able to blindly determine a price-sales function.

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TO the 2nd contribution from 5.4.

Obviously it is more difficult to get a 1.3 degree at a demanding university than in our example, unknown province of FH. I think the very fairest solution is a diploma supplement that shows how good YOU were in relation to your fellow students. This relative value is then comparable again ... I will definitely have such a document issued to me (if I finish well enough ;-), otherwise I keep it quiet).

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One shouldn't overestimate the reputation, but many companies and especially the larger ones do indeed have target universities. That does not mean that you are eliminated from the selection process from the outset if you do not come from one. But it's getting harder. The salary level is probably not the decisive measure for the first position - it is much more important how the further development from this position can be.

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As already mentioned, in Germany (e.g. from the big UBs) VERY many universities are recruited. In the USA, England, France it is completely different -> there are only a handful of "selected" universities (e.g. LSE, Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial) that are recruited. We in Germany should therefore conduct the discussion in a more relaxed manner.

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@ 1st poster from April 6th: I see it that way too.
There are also business graduates from Mannheim who apply for deputy store manager positions at Lidl because they have been looking for a job for a long time and therefore accept everything.
A deputy branch manager at Aldi or Lidl is practically just a slightly higher-level salesperson who also clears boxes and sometimes sits at the checkout, he just has a few other salespeople under him. An apprenticeship would be enough for that, you don't need a business administration diploma from Mannheim.
But this is just one example of the fact that choosing a supposedly elite business administration university does not necessarily mean a career.

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the university means nothing in D, nothing at all!

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Mannheim graduates as deputy branch manager at LIDL -> April 1st is over. What bullshit.

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@ 1st poster from April 7th: It is really rather the exception, but there are Mannheim business administrators who work as deputy branch managers at Lidl.
I just wanted to say that a degree from a certain university doesn't mean a career.
In Germany, the university doesn't count that much.

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bwl is the same crap everywhere .....

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LOL, always those WIngs .... and I'm one of them ....

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There are just as many graduates in Mannheim who are unemployed or doing cheap jobs in structural operations as at any other university (excluding private ones). Know which ones yourself. The statistics of the Spiegel about entry-level salaries at which Mannheim is just about average are well known.
The state universities do not differ significantly:

Anyone with poor grades / few internships / long study periods will find it difficult to get a job!

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So now I can go to a no-name university of applied sciences with a clear conscience?
She really doesn't know a pig, but I like it.
Only this bad (well, let's say: nonexistent) reputation bothered me a lot.
So isn't that bad?

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oah think for yourself, a good reputation from the university at which you study cannot be a disadvantage. but it is also not "as important" as it is partially shown. what use is a mannheim degree if you have a 3.5 cut. You're just as lost as when you studied in Buxtehude and also have 3.5.

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It is important that a CV is interesting. It doesn't matter whether it becomes interesting through the university or through internships / extracurricular engagement, it is only important to stand out ...

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It also depends on how the 3.5 cut was created.
If you were good in the right subjects (with good professors), you can deal with it ...

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oh yes, 3.5 is really bad as a cut - no matter what subjects you have done ...

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3.5 actually shows that you weren't particularly interested in your studies and / or subject .....
.... and it makes you proud when you hear from colleagues or bosses afterwards "What, you were at the university ... they check very strictly!" and you have a good degree .... :-)))

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